“Where there is anger, there is always pain underneath.” -Eckhart Toole

Everyone has limits when it comes to patience; even those with the temperament of a saint will reach a breaking point when push comes to shove and all the rage, anger, and frustration that had been boiling inside them gets unleashed in one explosive fit. While most of us show that rage through the occasional expression of verbal displeasure and others take their aggression out by breaking a few things, our next two combatants, two titans of Herculean strength with the guttural voices to prove it, have had their rage translate to breaking every limit there is to power, enough that their mere footsteps are enough to threaten the universe itself:

The Hulk, the Gamma-powered Green Goliath of the Marvel Universe.

Broly, the wrathful Legendary Super Saiyan from Dragon Ball.

Season 7 of Death Battle will cap off with a bang, as Dr. Bruce Banner makes his second trip into the arena, opposing yet another rampaging alien warrior whose rage might just rival his own. By all means, the immeasurable power both these men possess have allowed them to trade blows with beings strong enough to be considered as gods, and it’s time to test who has enough in the tank to spare in one last bout for the year. In this clash of titans, who will prove themselves to be the strongest and angriest there is?

In Case You Were Wondering…

So the only real bit of housekeeping we gotta do here is to establish what’s good and not suitable for either side, and the teaser did at least point us in the direction Death Battle is likely to take.

For the Hulk, we will be including feats accomplished under his newest persona, Immortal/Devil Hulk. This new incarnation of his has been the Hulk’s base for the past few years in the mainline 616 Marvel canon, which makes it good enough to be used without any major hiccups. That said, feats from other personalities like Savage and World Breaker Hulk will also be taken into account.

As for Broly, this is strictly going to cover his appearances as per the normal Dragon Ball canon. This means his analysis will primarily cover feats and scaling pertaining to his 2018 movie and anything else related to Dragon Ball Super. While we will take a quick look at his original incarnation, its non-canon nature means that it will be prioritized far less than his canon version.

Background

Hulk

“You make Hulk angry… You not like Hulk angry!”

One quick glance at mild-mannered theoretical physicist Robert Bruce Banner would be enough to tell you that he would not seem like a being capable of tearing the world asunder with his bare hands, but that would ignore the circumstances that allow him to show you the other side of himself capable of doing just that. Once a simple-minded scientist with a rough upbringing he would like to store away, Bruce was contracted by the Department of Defense to help develop the Gamma Bomb, a nuclear weapon loaded with high concentrations of Gamma radiation. It was set to undergo its first test without incident until Bruce had noticed a rather brash teenager loitering in the test site for a dare and moved to bring him out before the weapon detonated.

Unbeknownst to Bruce, his Soviet spy of a partner attempted to foil the project entirely by detonating it early, while Bruce himself was still in the blast zone. The explosion and subsequent fallout would have been enough to kill any mortal man, but he proved to be an exception; due to quirks within his own genetic code, Bruce not only survived but found an unusual side effect to his exposure. In times of intense anger, he transforms into a green-skinned giant that embodies all of his inner demons and unleashes them in a rampage that often leaves anything in his wake broken and shattered. For those foolish enough to make him angry, they found themselves no longer dealing with Bruce Banner, but someone else entirely: the Incredible Hulk.

For years after this incident, Bruce and the Hulk have attempted to find ways to coexist with each other’s personality and control over their shared body, with mixed results. On most days, he spends life as a fugitive on the run due to the Hulk’s destructive tendencies, while on others, his absurdly genius-level intellect and the Hulk’s unmatched power have made him a valuable ally to the superhero community by becoming the biggest muscle needed to challenge foes none of his allies could stand up to. Such actions, in addition to stints with various superhero teams, have allowed both of them to be recognized not just like a monster, but as heroes who continue to protect the innocent, and smash any and all evildoers wherever they may hide.

Broly

“You shouldn’t say bad things about my father…”

Legends were told among the Saiyan race on their home planet of Vegeta about the Super Saiyan, a being of incredible power that had not been seen in over 1000 years. The tales of such a warrior destined to cause untold destruction and slaughter all in their path to emerge from the ranks of the race as battle-hungry as the Saiyans proved to be so threatening, that the galactic warlord Frieza had called for the genocide of their entire race and the annihilation of their planet to prevent any one of these Super Saiyans from overthrowing him. Only a handful of Saiyans are spared from this event, with one of them naturally possessing the power needed to attain this form of legend: Broly, son to the former Saiyan army leader Paragus.

Even as a child, Broly’s power levels dwarfed those of King Vegeta’s own son; fearing that he would grow up to one day cause the destruction of not just Planet Vegeta but the entire universe, the Saiyan leader arranged for him and Paragus to be exiled on the planet Vampa to prevent this from coming to pass. Distraught, Paragus trained Broly to hone his power in hopes of one day returning to overthrow the king, all while remaining unaware that Frieza had not just wiped out their entire race and their homeworld, but would eventually meet his end at the hands of one Saiyan who not only survived by being sent to Earth but also attained the power of a Super Saiyan on his own along with another survivor: King Vegeta’s namesake son, Prince Vegeta IV.

After spending several years in exile, Broly and Paragus were rescued by the Frieza Force and had their feelings of revenge used by Frieza to go after the two remaining Saiyans on Earth, Goku and Vegeta. The death of Paragus at Frieza’s hands triggers Broly’s latent Super Saiyan abilities, bringing out the fabled harbinger of destruction to clash with his godly Saiyan rivals in about that tore apart the entire dimensions. Despite nearly meeting his own end at the hands of their fused form, Broly was spared by a timely wish from the Dragon Balls to live a life of solitude and peace, one which the ever-friendly Goku supported, not just to become comrades in the future but to also draw out a new rival whose true potential just may be unleashed yet.

Equipment

Hulk

Pants

He wears purple pants they are pretty iconic aha ha

Broly

Battle Armor

A suit of specialized Frieza Force armor gifted to Broly and his father Paragus. The armor seemingly offers some light protection from blunt damage, although it is not particularly sturdy.

Shock Collar

A collar Paragus strapped to Broly to contain his violent outbursts. With the press of a button, the collar administers a painful electric shock to Broly. However, he can easily break the collar at any time.

Abilities

Hulk

Rage Amplification

A weaponization of the anger Hulk has felt for years due to the mistreatment he has received. As Hulk increases in anger, his strength continues to rise further and further. His rising anger allows him to literally beat his own power being used on him.

Thunderclap

To this day, Hulk’s most iconic move is the mighty Thunderclap. With a powerful clap of his hands, Banner lays waste to everything in sight with a tremendous shockwave that dwarfs history’s worst disasters. 

Pseudo Flight/Jumping

The Hulk seems to be able to achieve a pseudo level of flight via jumping. According to Tom Breevort, this might actually be a thing.

Healing Factor

Context: Hulk literally had his matter repelled off of him, smacked the guy fucking with him, and was fine and dandy afterwards.

In the event that the Hulk is somehow harmed, he has incredibly impressive regenerative abilities. Whether it’s his limbs, organs, or muscle mass, he’ll be rejuvenated within moments. Bruises, cuts, burns, dismemberments, it won’t keep him down for long. The angrier he gets, the more potent the healing factor is, to the point where his immune system literally rejected an injected chemical that specifically counteracted this ability. With this comes an immunity to disease and a prolonged lifespan. At one point, he was sliced up into several pieces for experiments, including his own bisected, yet still beating, heart. Every last piece of him was placed in a jar. However, as his individual body parts could still move, he broke the glass with a snap to free his divided body, and reformed himself near instantaneously, absorbing the man responsible for his predicament. He also managed to regenerate his skin after the regenerative tissue within was disrupted by a resurrected Abomination’s acid and Hulk ripped the skin off outright.

Energy Manipulation

When enraged sufficiently, such as the World Breaker state, Hulk can emit waves of gamma energy that can encompass a city, potentially even further.

Gamma Manipulation

Hulk has the ability to absorb the Gamma radiation contained in other beings, simultaneously weakening them while strengthening himself. He used this ability to remove the Gamma energy from Walter Langkowski’s body, and thus remove the Sasquatch form from him as well. He can also absorb pure gamma radiation from the surrounding atmosphere and isolated sources to restore his Hulk form and power.

Life Force Absorption 

Although rarely seen using it himself, Gamma mutates have the ability to absorb Gamma radiation from living creatures. If enough of the gamma is absorbed, the creature dies.

Absorption

Hulk can absorb beings caught in the middle of his regenerative process into his body, breaking down their being into an unrecognizable state.

Extrasensory Perception

Hulk has the ability to smell liars. Even Thor says so. More than just that, however, Hulk can also see astral projections, spirits, and ghosts. Bruce originally developed this power due to a fear of his father coming back as a ghost in order to hurt him.

Immortality

All Gamma Mutates have the ability to travel between the Below-Space, which is where they go when they die, and the regular parts of reality by utilizing special Green Doors, unique to each mutate. If Bruce Banner or the Hulk die at any point, even if they were in an incredibly severe state of pain or damage, they will return at their peak, seen when Red She-Hulk devoured Hulk’s heart, killing him, and he returned as normal, allowing him to defeat Abomination.

Sometimes Gamma Mutates can even return through the Green Doors of other Mutates, such as when Leonard Samson returned through Walter’s Green Door as “Doc Sasquatch”, allowing him to communicate with Gamma Flight. Green Doors have even allowed the return of characters like the Leader when he was completely disintegrated. Lastly, those with extensive knowledge on the Green Doors, such as Sam Sterns, can even shut them off to prevent the Mutate in question from returning through said door.

The Green Door

The Green Door is a metaphysical barrier that connects the Below-Place, the bottom layer of the Multiverse even below the deepest layer of Hell, to the real world. After death, the souls of gamma mutates cross into the Below-Place through the Green Door. They are then capable of returning to life when another Green Door manifests for them, though they possess no memory of this following their resurrection.

The Hulk can freely use the green door to return, with memories intact.

Using the green door to return from reality will restore the body of the user, seemingly healing all wounds and even restoring the body from bits of flesh. Should the body of the user be completely destroyed, it will take time for the body to return, as seen with The Leader.

The Below Place

The Below Place is the lowest layer of Hell, and the bottom layer of all creation, essentially the bedrock below the omniverse. It is the very idea of Hell itself, a concept beyond concepts, transcending all layers above. It is home to The One Below All, the antithesis to Marvel’s supreme God, the One Above All. The Below Place is so hellish and so unholy, that it is the very absence of God itself. The very absence of the One Above All. “What is God’s anger? God’s face, turning away.” How can God be gone? How can someone omnipresent be gone? Well, you see, God is never gone. The One Above All is omnipresent, but yet, it’s an absence of God. All is a part of him, including the Devil himself. Paradoxical, yes, yet in the sense of omnipotence, nothing makes sense, does it?

There’s a concept in the Qabalah called the Tree of Life. Its opposite, the shadow side is known as Qlippoth. The highest point on the Tree of Life is Keter, the crown which is set above all things. Compassion beyond comprehension and the unity of the divine. On its opposite side, however, in its reflection… in Qlippoth, and on the lowest point is Thaumiel… in which the divine unity splits into two and a darker shadow self emerges. A hell beyond hells. A hell below all.

Being the complete antithesis of The One Above All, his shadow, The One Below All could be directly compared to The One Above All, although in terms of power, he is not quite as powerful. As TOAA and TOBA represent two opposite dichotomies, The Below Place is the exact opposite of The One Above All’s Heaven (Do NOT get it confused with the House of Ideas, TOAA’s Heaven resides below it), or in other words, it’s the other side of the same coin.

For reference, primal love in its purest form transcended Oblivion to such a degree that it not only empowers him, but also the dream known as reality. For example, Oblivion is the Outside that transcends Multi-Eternity of the 8th Cosmos, a being who contains several outerversal realms transcending each other to a vast degree, with some of those outerversal realms, such as the Superflow being their own transcendent hierarchies of power (for example, Overspace would technically be contained within the Superflow now, but based off of information from other comics, so does the Astral Plane). By this logic, the Below Place would be beyond the Outside and beyond Oblivion’s influence. TOAA’s Heaven ≈ The Below Place >> Oblivion >= The Outside >>> Multi-Eternity (8th Cosmos) = (High Outer) >>> Living Tribunal (High into outerversal).

Psychic Resistance

The Hulk has developed high levels of resistance to mental attacks:

• Completely immune to Xemnu’s mind control, who can effortlessly control Red Hulk
• Keeps Cable from immediately breaking into his mind
• Forces out other minds

Resistances

Hulk’s unique physiology gives him a plethora of biological and hax based resistances. These include, but are not limited to, the following:

• Green Scar Hulk resists having his soul drained
• Resists the effects of a subatomic molecule rearranger multiple times
• Hulk negates being turned to stone
• Resists BFR 

All resistances listed here

Personalities

This isn’t technically an “ability” per se, but it is worth noting that things aren’t as simple as just two sides, being Banner and Hulk. Bruce suffers from DID, or dissociative identity disorder. As a result, he has multiple personalities, with varying levels of intelligence, mannerisms, and even base strength. The identities of the Hulk are as follows:

• Savage/Child Hulk – This is the personality most people are familiar with: the one that’s always angry, and shouting “HULK SMASH” at the top of his lungs. With the temperance and comprehension skills of a child, this personality represents Banner’s inner rage through a personification of his childhood trauma brought upon by his father. 
• Grey Hulk / Joe Fixit – Joe Fixit is a street-talking former casino enforcer. While being physically weaker than many other versions of the Hulk, Joe makes up for it by being one of the more intellectual variants of Hulk, although not to the same degree as Bruce Banner. For some time he preferred mainly to come out at night, but longtime relations with Banner have changed him in some way, making him more inclined to come out in the sun. In human form, Joe is far more aggressive and combative than the mild-mannered Bruce Banner. 
• Professor Hulk / Doc Green – This merged persona combined traits of Bruce Banner, Savage Hulk and Grey Hulk into one being, retaining key traits such as strength, intelligence and wit. 
• Green Scar – Also known as World Breaker Hulk. First simmering within Hulk’s exile to Sakaar and subsequent return to Earth, this is the Hulk at arguably his peak of strength, the result of Bruce (willingly or otherwise) giving up complete control to truly let the Hulk fight to the best of his power and ability. World Breaker Hulk is the full power of Green Scar.
• Devil Hulk – The sinister name of this personality fits the bill. This is a manifestation of Banner’s most evil, malevolent, and diabolical traits. He is cunning and shrewd, putting the Savage Hulk to shame in intelligence, even being able to have long-winded conversations and refer to himself in the first person. In many ways, he is smarter than Banner himself in terms of deductive reasoning and gut hunches. However, he also is not completely without morals, as he was constructed as a coping mechanism to give Bruce a father figure when his real father could not provide true love.
• Breaker of Worlds – While this personality is nonstandard, we should mention it. Basically this is the personality that comes about when the One Below All takes over the Hulk. In this state he becomes an absolute force of nature being able to wipe out Galactus and Franklin Richards in the future. He was capable of devouring Metatron, the sentience of the 8th Cosmos and then managed to kill the entirety of the 9th Cosmos as well. While they are named “___th Cosmos”, they are actually far more than universes. Far more than multiverses even! So much so that Al Ewing considers them omniverses and for good reason. They contain transcendentally powerful outerversal realms within them and become more powerful with each rebirth! The Living Tribunal himself is a part of the 8th Cosmos and the 9th Cosmos is far more powerful, yet the Breaker of Worlds was able to destroy 9th Cosmos Eternity and become the sole survivor of all of existence, implying he killed other abstract beings as well such as Molecule Man or the Beyonder. It is pretty much cosmic horror Hulk and very little (if anything) in the Marvel Universe is capable of stopping him when he becomes the Breaker of Worlds.

Broly

Hand-to-Hand Combat

(Vibe Check)

As expected from a Dragon Ball character, Broly is an exceptional close-range brawler. A talented fighter since birth and helped by his Saiyan heritage, Broly has developed one of the more unique fighting styles in the series. In stark contrast with fellow Saiyans like Goku and Vegeta, Broly rarely relies on fancy martial arts and tricky maneuvers to get by. His approach is more direct (usually referred as “Unga Bunga”) relying on more brutal swings, some frankly wicked grapples and boxing-like techniques to overwhelm the opponent.

Adaptability

Interestingly, as noted by Vegeta, Broly possesses the uncanny ability to quickly adapt to the fighter or situation he has on hand, either it be by changing his style-of combat entirely or by sheer power-output alone. This is how he could keep up with much more experienced fighters like Goku and Frieza despite having little formal training aside from a few sparring sessions with his father. This comes at a price however, as the stronger Broly becomes, the more he loses control of himself, becoming more violent and prone to instinct the longer the fight drags.

Ki Manipulation

(gonorrhea)

Like most characters in the Dragon Ball multiverse, Broly has learned the ability to manipulate his own latent energy as a tool and weapon, usually named Ki. This is a tangible energy inside every living being, by drawing it out, a skilled individual is able to control it and use it for many different techniques or also use it to increase their strength and durability. It is worth to note that there are various types of Ki, and even though Broly has only displayed the use of normal Ki, his seems to be “supercharged” if that makes any sense, as it is able to overpower and keep up with higher forms of Ki like God Ki. Regardless, here are some of the techniques Broly has displayed by making use of this energiy:

• Flight: You know the drill, by making use of ki he gains the ability to fly at high speeds.
• Ki Blasts: The most basic form of a Ki attack, usually in the form of glowing green spheres Broly has shown the ability to shoot a LOT of them in very short bursts.
• God Bind: After seeing Goku perform the technique, Broly was able to reverse it on Goku. Allows the user to trap the enemy in place.
• Eraser Cannon (I GOT A PRESENT FOR YOU): A classic of pretty much all versions of Broly, where they charge their energy into their palm to make a small sphere, then they later shoot at the opponent, causing devastating damage. 
• Eraser Blow: A variation of the Eraser Cannon, but instead of being shot from afar, Broly rushes the opponent and once close to them, releases the blast in their stomach. (It’s also a pretty good combo extension in FighterZ). 
• Blaster Meteor: Broly forms a shield around his body, and then unleashes a barrage of blasts in all directions.
• Gigantic Breath: A powerful ki-blast that Broly fires up from his mouth.
• Gigantic Charge: A move in which broly, with a ki-sphere per hand, charges at the opponent, blasting them with both energy spheres from up close.
• Omega Blaster: Broly engulfs himself in a green shield, which he later expands outwards with tremendous force, serving as an energy wave that eliminates anything in its path. 
• Planet Crusher: As shown on the gif above, Broly raises his hands in the air, creating a massive ki-sphere which he later throws, causing a lot of damage.
• Gigantic Full Blast: Usually followed after a punch, Broly brings his right hand to his side and charges a green energy sphere before firing it forward to launch a gigantic energy wave, inflicting a huge amount of damage. 
• Powered Shell: Though ki can usually be used to naturally protect the body from harm (as in a dip in a pool of lava) nothing’s wrong with a little more protection, this is basically an extra energy shield he can summon around himself.
• Gigantic Omega Storm: Broly first creates a ball of Ki in front of him, which he later pushes forward with his hands to create a powerful energy wave. 
• Gigantic Catastrophe: (also known as “the best Level-3 in FighterZ”[citation needed]) Broly fires a highly explosive and destructive energy beam from his mouth, flinging his body from side to side in a violent rage. In the movie he followed this move with a powerful energy blast. 

Saiyan Forms

(TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND)

It’s not a cosmic Dragon Ball battle without super forms, right? Members of the Saiyan race are capable of achieving new forms of power, from the mighty Oozaru to the legendary Super Saiyan to forms that can rival gods. Broly is one of the few Saiyans capable of reaching such forms, but he also has a few unique ones of his own.

Oozaru/Wrathful/Ikari

Broly fully embraces the inner monke, being able to draw out the full potential of a Great Ape despite not having a tail…somehow. This form is usually shown by a slight green hew and yellow pupils. As expected this greatly enhances his power, being about on par with, or perhaps even surpassing, a Super Saiyan God. 

Super Saiyan

After experiencing the trauma of losing his father to a stray ki blast (totally not murder), Broly attained a new state of being, that of a Super Saiyan. As expected, his strength and energy output grows massively, being able to easily overpower Super Saiyan God Super Saiyans, as well as stomp the powerful Golden Frieza for one hour.

Super Saiyan Full Power

Also known as shirtless Broly. His power becomes maximum and his swoleness rises exponentially to virtually infinite levels of infinity, becoming the wet dream of powerlifters everywhere, male and female alike.

Feats

Hulk

Overall

• Founding member of the Avengers, and created his own team called the… “Bannervengers”
• Part of the Defenders, Fantastic Four, S.M.A.S.H, S.H.I.E.L.D, and many more
• Among the strongest Avengers
• Has fought off pretty much all of the Avengers at one point or another, sometimes as a team
• Became a warrior king on Planet Skaar 
• Was once banished to Sakaar by the Illuminati, becoming a hero on the planet. Eventually returned to Earth to take his revenge against the Avengers, marking the first appearance of World War Hulk
• Classified as an Omega-Class threat
• Defeated the Maestro, an evil version of himself from the future
• Took control of Shadow Base, the secret government organization created to hunt him down
• Defeated Abomination, Xemnu, and the Leader
• Thanos has stated he actively avoids encounters with him
• Survived an encounter with The One Below All, the ruler and embodiment of the Below-Space, the lowest part of reality below even hell

Power

• Held together a planet’s tectonic plates
• Fractured Thor’s skull and knocked out his tooth with a punch
  • Thor has withstood and overpowered  infinitely increased gravity 
  • Tanks blast from the Casket of Ancient Winters, which can freeze Hel from Asgard in a fairly short time
  • Surtur intended to destroy all of Asgard and then the universe, Thor takes the hit
    • The Marvel universe has a diameter of at least a trillion lightyears. Adjusting for its overall volume, this means the Marvel universe should be at least 1224x greater in size than our own observable universe. 
• Performed a Fastball Special with Colossus, destroying the Triskellion from the Ultimate Marvel universe
• Destroyed a meteor twice the size of Earth 
• Fighting Red Hulk causes earthquakes across the planet
• Mere footsteps as Worldbreaker could level entire cities
• Has destroyed Nightcrawler’s universe
• Battled Nightmare in his dimension and rendered it asunder to such a degree as to cause nightmares to cease
• Punches through the time storm
• Channeled energy that would destroy two universes when split from Banner
• Channeled enough energy from an alternate universe that can destroy a universe when split from Banner 
• His Thunderclap sent shockwaves across an infinite number of dimensions
• Physically matched Onslaught and cracked his armor
  • Onslaught has shown to be able to effortlessly stomp Juggernaut
  • Easily contains Franklin Richards inside of himself, same Franklin whose powers are so great that he has been able to create pocket universes and his abilities have been described as equal to the Celestials
• His clash with another Hulk causes seismological activity all over the planet
• Stalemated the Sentry (WOG confirms Sentry wasn’t holding back, as does the story)
  • Sentry has casually ripped apart Ares, who in the past has been shown to be roughly comparable to Thor and Hercules
  • Sentry has been shown to be strong enough to one-shot a symbiote-possessed Celestial 
  • Sentry and Genis’s explosive fight in the microverse is said to be able to shred entire worlds as both are capable of planet busting, atoms are at least the size of Solar Systems in the microverse, likely universe sized
• Implodes through Abomination’s face with his fist
  • Abomination has been able to regularly bully Grey Hulk
• Physically contends with Gladiator and Hyperion, and defeated them
  • Gladiator and Hyperion have been able to evenly match one another as well as Thor in a physical bout
  • Gladiator can rattle every bone in the universe from hitting Galactus
  • Hyperion has held back and tanked the incursion of two universes colliding
• Able to physically overpower one of The Celestial Order beings who were powered by the Heart of the Universe, same ones who were strong enough to one-shot Doctor Strange and Namor 
• Fought equally to Hyperion
• Shattered the time barrier
• Generates enough force to power the shield that was able to stop the planet-destroying force of Exitar’s feet temporarily
• The collision of his physical blows against an amped Red She-Hulk vaporized a whole planet in the Dark Dimension
• A suppressed Green Scar survived absorbing the power of Pandora’s box
• When possessed by the One Below All, was able to kill both Franklin Richards and Galactus, as well as absorb Metatron, the Sentience of the Eighth Omniverse, to become the Breaker of Worlds
• Breaker of Worlds destroyed all planets and extinguished all stars in the universe
• Him and Umar fucking was so strong it sent shockwaves and bent reality across the multiverse to where the Silver Surfer knew something was wrong
• Devil Hulk shatters a shard that contains Nyx’s power; for comparison, a weakened Nyx with no shards killed Zeus
• Devil Hulk forced a nerfed version of The One Below All to retreat

Speed

[insert extreme rarity joke]

• Catches a rocket mid-flight
• Caught a sniper bullet with his teeth
• Capable of moving and fighting at blurred speeds
• Intercepted an aircraft point-blank at FTE speeds
• Speed-blitzes multiple gunmen
• Appears in front of the gunmen without noticing him beforehand 
• Fast enough to tag Quicksilver
  • Quicksilver can outrun radio waves and react in a picosecond
• Has consistently tagged and kept up with the likes of Thor and Silver Surfer
  • Thor can consistently travel from Earth to Asgard “in moments” (1.579 Quintillion c – 15.793 Quintillion c) and has flown to the edge of the infinite towards the void beyond the furthest reach of thought itself 
  • Silver Surfer could travel half a million lightyears in short time (3.15 Trillion c) and time travel through speed alone
  • Thor has shown to be able to react in microseconds  
  • Silver Silver has consistently displayed microsecond and nanosecond reaction times
• Dodges Thor’s Mjolnir and catches Silver Surfer’s board, both of which can travel at MFTL+ speeds
  • Hulk can also keep up with Mjolnir in speed 
• Dodges Vision’s laser
  • Vision uses a solar reserve laser, so this potentially implies that Hulk knew to dodge something that would have affected him
• Caught Iron Man mid-flight
• Rips out Vision’s gem before he could turn solid
• Blitzes Sentry, Gladiator and Hyperion
  • Gladiator can cross galaxies in the blink of a god’s eye (100 Trillion c) 
• Speed-blitzes Armageddon before he could react
• Dodges Red Creel’s ball and chain, and tags him with a speed-blitz 
• Catches up to Hypnos and snaps his neck
  • Hypnos was able to intercept Hermes with his hypnosis and kill him
  • Note: Hermes can travel from Mount Olympus to Earth in a short time and is the god of speed/fastest of the Olympians, Heralds such as the Eternal being; Makkari was stated to be even in speed with him and Thor has been shown to be fast enough to catch him on many occasions (525.9 Quadrillion c – 3.15 Quintillion c)
  • Venus whom Hermes is equal or superior to displays a similar feat where she travels from Earth to Mount Olympus and back to Earth between worlds without her boss noticing (If Mount Olympus functions like Asgard, should be in a separate Universe and that’s supported by the “countless Millions of Light years” statement) (352 Quintillion c – 15.15 Sextillion c)
• Comparable to the Tiding-Flies in his Breaker of Worlds state, who are capable of transmitting messages not just across light-centuries, but against the flow of time itself

Durability

• Impervious to bullets
• Survived nuclear explosions on a daily basis
• Remains relatively fine despite his internal organs being twisted
• No sells all of Lightning’s power in a blast
• Withstood a blast from Galactus
• Unfazed by Red Hulk’s attack 
• Tanked Vision’s phasing
• Took hits from Hercules, Thing, Colossus, Wonder Man and Yellowjacket all at once
• Able to withstand hits from Hercules and Juggernaut
  • Hercules and Juggernaut have displayed equal physicality to Thor, whom Hulk has been shown to be on par with many times
  • Hercules can physically lift Atlas’s universe, which was literally described as infinite mass 
• Has taken blows from the likes of Thor, Hyperion, Gladiator, Sentry and Silver Surfer on a regular basis 
  • Silver Surfer possesses the power to safely contain an energy that can destroy two universes
  • Manipulating the Big Crunch while weakened 
  • Battled The Great One, whose defeat resulted in the destruction of his construct universe, multi-dimensional dispersion on a subatomic level 
  • His fight with the Uni-lord destroys galaxies
• Survives in a realm with infinite density
• Pushed back against a wave that repelled reality itself and everything in the crossroads of infinity
• Powered through huge amounts of punishment from the Gods and Minions of Olympus including Zeus himself 
• Survived a full-force attack from Iron Man’s Helios Cannon, although he was reduced to a skeleton
• Survived having sex with Umar, Dormammu’s sister
• Had his nuts cracked by Captain America 

Broly

Overall

• As a child, his power level was ranked among the highest out of all Saiyans
• Fought and defeated Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta, as well as Golden Frieza
• Spent several decades training under his father on Vampa
• Fought on par with Super Saiyan Gogeta, though later would end up losing to Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta
• Is a good boi
• Respects women

Power

• Goku theorized that his power may surpass even Beerus’
• Easily adapted to and matched Vegeta in combat, even when he went Super Saiyan
• Transformation from Base form to Wrathful form takes place underwater and causes the cold water to boil, turns the sea into a tumultuous whirlpool, and brings about a massive plume of water, pushing both Goku and Vegeta back with a burst of force.
• Easily carved away multiple small mountains and one large one with a massive energy blast before exploding in the sky
• Punched SSG Vegeta through a mountain while in his Wrathful form
• Blew off the top of this mountain with his aura
• Matched Super Saiyan Goku in combat
• Pulled a reverse Uno card on Goku’s God Ki when the latter was trying to stop him.
• Nullified SSG Goku’s energy blast effortlessly
• His KI attacks can casually destroy a planet
• As shown above, completely manhandled Goku, even in his SSG form
  • This is important, as even in his first outing as SSG, Goku’s clashes with Beerus were powerful enough to potentially destroy Universe 7, which is much larger than our own universe
  • Goku managed to absorb the power of SSG into his base form, meaning Broly is far above this
• Destroyed an entire Arctic area
• Met SSB Goku’s punch with his own, creating a huge explosion
• Easily overpowered SSB Goku and Vegeta at the same time
• Broly’s aura immediately after going Super Saiyan is enough to destroy mountains and carve a huge rift in the ground
• Overpowered a combined Kamehameha and Gallick Gun attack with one energy ball
• Gave a beating to Frieza even in his Golden form for an hour.
• A single clash between him and Goku triggers a massive explosion
• In his fight with Gogeta, their combined power output was so high they literally forced themselves into another dimension
  • This is supported by the novel, where it is mentioned that “The boundary of the dimension could not withstand the energy released by them and got torn apart.”
• His destructive power is stated to be greater than a God of Destruction’s
• His incarnation from Dragon Ball Z effortlessly destroyed South Galaxy
• His power is maximum

Speed

• Kept up with both base and Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta
• Much, much faster than characters who can dodge BoZ Piccolo’s Ki blasts, which can reach the moon in seconds
• Appears as a blur in his fight against Goku and Vegeta 
• Dodges Goku’s Kamehameha after it was fired
• Catches up to Goku after blasting him in order to hit him again
• Flies in front of Vegeta before he could fly away
• As The Legendary Super Saiyan he can dodge all the blows of Super Saiyan Goku. And Piccolo at the same time
• He had the first three hits to Super Saiyan Goku, Super Saiyan Gohan and Super Saiyan Trunks while attacking simultaneously
• Maneuvers in between a ki blast shower
• Keeps pace against Gogeta and both were able to move fast enough to appear as if they were teleporting
• Should be superior to Battle of Gods Goku, who kept up with Beerus, who is capable of universe crossing (375 quadrillion times the speed of light)
• Should scale far above the shockwaves occurred during Goku and Beerus’ clash, which traveled throughout all of Universe 7 and reached the Kai Realm (410.5 quadrillion-5.75 quintillion c)

Durability

• Busted through several mountains after getting punched by SSG Vegeta
• Completely no-sold one later in his Wrathful state
• Got thrown to the ground hard enough to cause an earthquake
• Got tackled into a magma chamber
• Can withstand fighting in lava
• Withstood a combined assault from SSB Goku and Vegeta
• Managed to survive an onslaught of attacks from SS Blue Gogeta
• He literally doesn’t notice a kick from a Super Saiyan Vegeta to the neck
• He didn’t even move before a full power Kamehameha from Super Saiyan Goku
• No sells a punch to the chin and two Ki blasts from Vegeta
• No sells a punch to the face from Super Saiyan Gohan
• Takes a 3 man Kamehameha from Goku, Gohan and Goten to overpower Broly and push him into the sun
• Tanks his own Ki blast reflected back at him while as the Legendary Super Saiyan
• Takes this Ki nuke by SSB Gogeta

Weaknesses

Hulk

Over the years, the scrambled minds of Banner and Hulk have found a…relatively “healthy” way of co-existing. They know they rely on each other, and Hulk’s intelligence has skyrocketed since the days of old. However, should he get angry enough, Hulk risks going back to his roots and becoming a thoughtless savage monster whose only desire is to smash, and in only one of the fun ways. Granted, this isn’t exactly a cut and dry weakness, as the Hulk’s true power in many instances comes when Bruce acquiesces control of their body entirely to do what the Hulk wants. Hulk also generally prefers to only come out at night, as that is “his time”, and has been known to transform back into Banner either in sunlight or under the glow of ultraviolet light, but he has learned to overcome this to some degree. Certain types of acid can also bypass Hulk’s regenerative capabilities, and Hulk is liable to having his gamma energy stolen, which leaves him weaker. 

The Devil Hulk was weak to sunlight, and immediate exposure would revert him back to Bruce Banner. Over a few months, Devil Hulk overcame this weakness.

But worst of all, the most nefarious weakness that could bring him to his knees even at his strongest-

puppies

Broly

Not only did they cut off his best and only childhood friend’s ear (who was a wild animal) he’s technically an orphan now too, being Broly sucks. In all seriousness Broly doesn’t have too much in the way of weaknesses, but he does have one big flaw. Broly lacks somewhat in terms of controlling his power when in his higher forms, which more skilled fighters can exploit to plan out and overpower him. This lack of control also results in him expending his ki at a rapid pace, and while he does have an extremely large pool to take from, he could potentially exhaust it all in a prolonged skirmish.

Also, babies crying (Non-canon)

Summary

Hulk

“Ever since I was born, I’ve been fighting. Fighting for survival. For sanity. For control. For years, I fought against my own nature. I fought to be free of what I thought was a curse. But now… Now I fight to be whole.”

Advantages:

• Stronger
• Much Faster
• Technically has no cap to how high his strength can rise, which can potentially increase the gap between him and Broly to a farther degree
• More experienced
• Regeneration is a huge edge
• Is extremely hard to kill due to his immortality 
• Smarter, and more likely to fight rationally
• Can potentially absorb Broly’s gamma energy to drain his life force away
• Fucking propels himself by flexing what is this
• His raw unga in UMVC3 and MUA3

Disadvantages:

• Less skilled in martial arts
• Mostly limited to CQC and can’t fly (properly)
• Bad in pretty much every other Marvel game

Broly

“RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!”

Advantages:

• More skilled in martial arts
• Has ranged options to keep Hulk at bay
• Though nothing Hulk hasn’t fought, flight does grant overall wider mobility
• Naturally adaptable, and his power can also increase the more he fights
• His raw high-tier unga in FighterZ
• OH MY GOD HE’S SO GOD DAMN COOL

Disadvantages:

• Weaker
• Much Slower
• Falls short in experience
• Not as intelligent, and is more prone to fighting on pure instinct
• Has little in the way of directly overcoming the Hulk’s regeneration; conversely, he lacks a healing factor on par with it, to begin with
• Could potentially have his life-force drained by Hulk’s gamma absorption
• While still really good in FighterZ is still way worse than Z Broly in that game

Verdicts

AkhilPDX

When I saw this fight announced, I was ecstatic. I thought and I still do, that Marvel’s Big 5 (Captain America, Spider-Man, Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk) should return for another episode. Now that Hulk has returned, he can be crossed off. Onto what I think of this episode… it’s not as close as some may hope but honestly, this was one of my most requested fights and everything looks extremely promising right now. The track, the animation in the sneak peak, the preview trailers… everything. Plus, Swan’s writing and I love his episodes so that’s awesome!

Now, onto who wins. I’ll go over the main points, break them down, and then go over some questions that were commonly brought up along with some misconceptions. Let’s get started!

First, stats, and Hulk clearly takes the stat trinity. He’s faster, stronger, and more durable. The biggest gap though, is the speed. I’m not sure where the episode will place Hulk’s speed but he should be, at the absolute minimum, high into the quadrillions. Over 3.5x higher than Beerus’ speed given in his episode (240 quadrillion), however, that’s Hulk’s lower end feats. He should definitely get into the quintillions and even sextillions, septillions, and decillions if not up to infinite speed thanks to the Marvel Universe being stated to be infinite dozens of times.

This should also impact attack potency and strength because even while Broly massively upscales from the Goku that fought Beerus during Battle of Gods, a single universe in Marvel isn’t just beyond a singular Dragon Ball Macrocosm, but beyond the entire Dragon Ball multiverse. Even if we say Hulk doesn’t scale to the totality of a singular universe in Marvel, he would still have strength massively higher than that of Broly. This would also apply for durability making Hulk far more powerful than anything Broly has encountered. 

Now for the FAQ:

What’s the evidence for universes in Marvel being stated to be infinite:

The Marvel Universe is a vast phenomenon. At a very minimum, it’s at least 2 trillion lightyears in diameter (assuming the Earth is in the middle of the universe). Depending on what “thought years” are, the universe could be far greater than just 2 trillion lightyears, even via finite statements for thought is repeatedly stated to be far faster than light. However, the universe is far more likely to be greater than a simple finite value due to the consistent statements of the universe being truly infinite. You could say that some statements might be hyperbolic or symbolic, but there are far more reliable statements from reliable sources such as Odin Borson, the Watcher, and Galactus that debunk this notion.

What about the supposed debunks to infinite sized universes:

There have been statements that the universe has an edge, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not infinite. You might ask, how’s that possible? How can infinity have an edge? The simple answer… it’s comics. I think a lot of us have learned by now that in comics, and especially Marvel and DC, stuff never makes sense. If you’ve seen characters who can literally outrun the very fundamental force of speed and all kinetic energy in the multiverse, I think you can understand that infinity can have an edge. And before you point out that it was DC, Thor literally negged a bomb that was going to kill every god across the universe in every conceivable timeline, including his past and future, skyfather self… so yes, Marvel has crazy moments too.

Now to the complicated version, Marvel has sets of infinity and this thing called transfinite numbers which by their own definition are numbers that are beyond infinity. It stems into aleph null and beyond that so yeah, there are smaller infinities and bigger infinities. Transcendent infinites. Finite infinities and infinite infinites. Infinities beyond infinites and outerversal infinities. It’s just how Marvel works. And if it makes you feel better, the Living Tribunal himself stated the universe was infinite so… not much to argue there, is it? It also lines up with a statement from Uatu stating that every universe creates an infinite number of timeline universes every quantum moment and so on, ad infinitum. That’s a lot of infinities. There’s also the fact that some people consider said statements to be hyperbole, but only some of the statements can be hyperbolic. Others are literal and meant to be taken literally. Even then, Hercules was literally stated to be lifting infinite mass and Thor as a child moved a book of infinite pages, with his dark, shadowy Donald Blake-self being capable of lifting the entire book.

What’s the deal with higher dimensional stuff for Marvel universes:

Marvel has a lot of stuff for higher dimensional universes. I’m mainly talking about this cause a lot of this time, people were simply going off of 1 trillion lightyears. I can see some reasons why but in the end, there are some structures in Marvel that can be in no way, shape, or form, put at only finite universal. There are numerous statements to suggest Asgard is beyond time and space, making it 5th dimensional at the lowest. Thor even states that his divinity transcends dimensions, and even if you solely look at the context for the feat and nothing more, his divinity transcends a tesseract, a 4th dimensional object.

Furthermore, you have statements like Mephisto’s realm, which is its own universe, stated to be an infinitely transcendent surreality. Even if you say this was not Mephisto’s realm but the space in which the portal to Mephisto’s realm was, it’s still likely in the 616 universe and therefore, a part of it. Not only this, but you have Yggdrasil emanating into the universe (Odin says 10 realms in this reality) and branching off into 10 different realms (Heven included) with a likelihood of it branching off an infinite number of universal realms into the 616 universe! 

What about multipliers:

Multipliers are generally seen as calcstacking unless there’s a good reason to use them and I’ll be honest, I’m not really sure how accurate it would be to use them for Dragon Ball. Characters have never shown feats on par with destroying 18,000 universes or whatever number you get via multipliers. You might say the same thing for Marvel, but Dragon Ball is far more blatant about universal feats and when it comes to feats on that degree, they don’t always differentiate between attack potency and destructive capability.

Marvel on the other hand is quite different. Planetary level feats are seen as impressive when a herald tier character does them but we all know their upper limit is far above. Hulk has withstood blows from Hulk and Prometheus-style torture with his healing factor burned out, he’s fought Sentry to a standstill, caused a multiversal sexquake by banging Umar (Dormammu’s sister), and if you really want to go that route, Hulk has had his own weird multipliers in the past before and so has Thor with the amps from Warrior’s Madness and Belt of Strength, and guess who Hulk has fought several times before? That’s right… Thor! And he’s also fought Silver Surfer. Thor and Surfer have this weird history of pulling off crazy high feats and then acting like they’re not crazy impressive even though it’s like skyfather level stuff.

Does Broly have a chance:

Does Goku have a chance against Superman? Does Vegeta have a chance against Thor? Maybe. It’s an extremely small one though. Hulk is stronger. Hulk is faster. Hulk is more powerful. We haven’t even touched up on hax, but yeah, Hulk definitely has hax. The Green Door, Gamma Absorption, Regeneration… that’s a lot. The guy can literally come back to life after death and night-instantaneously on will too considering he’s learned to control how quick he can travel between the Below Place and the universe.

Broly definitely has more ranged attacks and his ki blasts are gonna be annoying, but even if he somehow does kill Hulk, he’ll just return back to life even more pissed off than before. Eventually, once he gets too pissed off, the Green Scar persona will take over. He’ll go World Breaker, and I hate to break it to you, but even remotely scaling to a suppressed Sentry is beyond anything in Dragon Ball. Sentry is literally Superman, but to the 100th power. Eventually, it’ll get to a point where Hulk just straight up blitzes and one-shots, perhaps with his gamma aura alone.

In the end, Broly’s certainly a powerful opponent, but Hulk is just faster, stronger, more powerful, more versatile, and just a smarter combatant. He has better control over his abilities and with the Green Door and Devil Hulk persona on his side, I really just don’t see him losing. 

Happy Holidays 😀

Ninten

I hope I don’t run out of fan-art of this NES one off character

Hulk vs Broly has secretly been one of the matchups I really liked and thought it would be cool, but I didn’t expect it to actually happen, since it seemed likely that Broly vs Asura could happen and Thor vs Vegeta also seemed more popular, which basically just fills this niche. I am pleasantly surprised that this was the matchup they went with, though I do wish that they did it a bit later. Marvel Heralds have been under a lot of revision and fluctuation as of late, and we only came to a real consensus very recently, which feeds into one of my worries about this matchup. 

These are both characters that I adore and think they are really cool. The Dragon Ball Super Broly movie was great, but I have literally been a fan of Marvel properties since I was around 3 years old. Dragon Ball also got a good win with Beerus vs Galaxia, while Marvel hasn’t really won any really debated or close matchups since like, Ghost Rider vs Lobo? Point is, I am heavily rooting for Hulk here, but I still very much like Broly. 

For this prediction, I will be going over multiple categories that I believe to be important to this matchup, and explain my thoughts on each of them, as well as address potential counter arguments. 

How large is the Marvel universe?

Have you ever heard about how DC’s universe is actually billions of times larger than our own observable universe? Well, Marvel has its own version of that. The Marvel universe is at least a trillion lightyears in diameter, when you adjust said diameter to volume it is 1224x the size of our own observable universe. This, obviously, affects feats that involve the entire universe. 

UPDATE: The Marvel universe is actually a macrocosm consisting of ten different universes with similar size carried by Yggdrasil, all that exist in the 616 universe, which is important to take into account for later. 

Does Hulk even scale to universal feats in the first place?

A battle between Thor and Hercules could destroy the heavens, and here Hercules is, supporting the weight of the entire universe for three hours. Thor survived an explosion rivaling the big bang, generated enough force to rival the big bang, and blocked the life bomb, which would have destroyed ⅕ of the universe. Hulk himself has destroyed the Nightcrawler’s universe, and even channeled enough energy to destroy two universes, increasing him to 2448x universal. This is supported by his scaling to Hyperion, who survived the incursion of two universes and Silver Surfer containing enough energy to destroy two universes. 

UPDATE: Hyperion’s feat was the result of the incursion, an event that collides universes classified by their number. All the realms of Marvel are still referred to as Earth-616, which means that he actually survived two macrocosms of ten universes colliding, each individually more than a thousand times larger than our observable universe. This would cause the overall potency to be 24,480x our observable universe. 

Just because it has that much space doesn’t mean it has that much mass.

The scan clearly states that there are planets a trillion lightyears away, which means that for this scenario to be true, it can’t be because of empty expansion space, but must be due to a very odd makeup of the universe that is disproportionately more void than our own. At that point, Occam’s Razor should side with the Marvel universe being proportionately the same, given we know that it has mass on the edge of the trillion lightyears. 

The Marvel universe is expanding, so couldn’t it have been smaller when he had these universal feats?

I thought this argument was sort of odd. As I mentioned previously, there are planets a trillion lightyears away in diameter, and I find it highly unlikely that these planets formed in that expanded space in the time since any of the universal feats happened. Additionally, the events in which the trillion lightyear statement takes place was actually millions of years ago, so if anything, this just means that the universe is likely larger. 

Volume scaling assumes the universe is a sphere. Can you prove the Marvel universe is spherical?

Midgard is depicted as being a sphere consistently.

Isn’t the Marvel universe infinite in size?

There is an abundance of infinite Marvel universe size statements that you could use if you choose to. I have some personal issues with using them, however. 

Getting the obvious argument out of the way, a plethora of statements here could very easily be hyperbolic. The counter to this has usually been the repetition of these statements or the reliability of these sources, but this holds zero actual bearing on whether speech is figurative. Many comics that deal with cosmic or mythical topics tend to use flowery language, and one of the definitions for infinite is literally just “very large”. 

Additionally, there is evidence to the contrary. The universe is both expanding and has a physical edge, which is far more blatant and less susceptible to interpretation than any of the infinite statements I have seen. I understand that some people may not like rejecting an argument that has a lot of apparent evidence, but the thing with these kinds of arguments is that they imply a massive change in physical attributes that should have a very hard standard to justify. When there are contradictions to such an idea, it becomes difficult for me to really accept it, as cool as Marvel heralds being equal to or superior than DC heralds in strength would be. 

Can Hulk scale any higher?

Hulk is a character whose power is in fluctuation, similar to Superman, and at his peak he can far exceed the average Marvel herald. We can actually calculate a theoretical cap to The Hulk’s potential, Pandora’s Box. Pandora’s Box is 133.45x stronger than Hercules, and if we were to assume Hercules scales to 2448x universal as other heralds, then that makes its overall potency 326,685.6x universal. Hulk managed to take a hit from and absorb Pandora’s Box, giving him this scaling. Now, this is admittedly from Green Scar Hulk, however it was not at all his full potential, as he was holding back during this time. Given Devil Hulk can absorb a shard of Nyx, which can kill Zeus, who should be far beyond Hercules and Pandora’s Box, Devil Hulk could scale to suppressed Green Scar and the 133.45x multiplier. 

UPDATE: Using the macrocosm interpretation of the incursion feat, this multiplier could actually bring Hulk up to 3,266,856x uni, more than 3 million times more than our own universe. 

How fast is The Hulk?

Hulk is similar to Thor in speed, who can travel across universes in moments (Asgard and Midgard are connected universes, so yes this is a speed feat and not hax), and there are multiple other speed feats similar to this. The quickest speed feat I have found was when Venus travelled between Olympus and Earth in less than a minute before being noticed, which makes heralds capable of moving 3 quintillion times the speed of light, possibly higher. If you wished to apply the previous multiplier to this, then Hulk’s speed could theoretically equal 400.35 quintillion times the speed of light. 

How should the Green Door work?

The Green Door allows The Hulk to come back after death. He is able to revive instantly as seen here. Recently there has been an argument that being vaporized would cause Hulk to take longer, because that is what happened with the Leader, but I don’t believe that is true. The Green Door works by Banner’s soul crossing the Below Place and re-manifesting through the Green Door, it makes no logical sense for his bodily wounds to affect that. The likeliest scenario here is that Hulk just has a much better connection to the Green Door than the Leader. We see that, with more usage of the door, Hulk comes back quicker than before. It is unlikely that being vaporized will put Hulk down for very long. 

How good is Hulk’s normal regeneration?

Pretty good. Even without the Green Door, Hulk has come back from being reduced to a skeleton and being sliced up and put away into different jars. He’s a pretty tough guy to kill. 

How large is the Dragon Ball universe?

The Dragon Ball macrocosm is 135.92 billion lightyears, when using the volume of a sphere we can find it is a little over 3x larger than our observable universe. However, Death Battle placed Beerus at 9x universal, and I expect the same treatment for Broly. 

Does Broly even scale to universal feats in the first place?

Yes. 

Can Broly scale any higher?

This is where Broly gets a little tricky. While Dragon Ball characters have achieved universal status long ago, they haven’t actually had many concrete feats that put them above that status. However, for Broly in particular, there are a couple of things we can do to make up for this. 

Multipliers in Dragon Ball in specific are fairly notorious, however with no other option we must take what we can get, otherwise Broly would be put at a power level that would severely dampen his true level of strength. 

First off, we do know one multiplier that should be completely legitimate, the kaio ken multiplier. Goku uses kaio ken in conjunction with his super saiyan blue form, to achieve ssbkk, which magnifies his power, the highest of which has been up to 20x. Now, Goku never actually used the kaio ken technique against Broly, however the Broly movie has a mixed canon that includes both the Dragon Ball Super anime and the manga. In the manga, Goku never used kaio ken in conjunction with his super saiyan blue form. Instead, what he did was use a perfected version of his blue form, which had the same narrative effects as ssbkk. Given that Goku has undergone a lot of training since the beginning of Dragon Ball Super, it makes sense to scale Broly to this multiplier, thus increasing his power output to 180x our observable universe. 

During their fight, Goku and Vegeta were so overwhelmed by Broly that they had to use the fusion technique to defeat him. Gogeta is definitely stronger than Broly, but given how he managed to keep up with him to some extent and that Goku and Vegeta had no other option but to use a technique that more than added their power together, it should also be fine to use a 2x multiplier at the very least for Broly, to which he comes in at 360x our observable universe. 

I highly recommend only doing this as a massive highball, but if you wanted to be safe and throw Broly a bone here, you can give him the super saiyan multiplier of 50x, which could theoretically place him at 18,000x our observable universe. 

Why not more multipliers?

The super saiyan 50x multiplier has never been specified in any primary material, as far as I’m aware of. It comes from secondary or tertiary sources such as guides, which aren’t the best indicator for how powerful these characters are meant to be. This made me very hesitant to apply this to Broly at all, but I have other reasons why I kept it to one super saiyan multiplier. 

First off, we should be aware that treading too deeply into this multiplier game leads into the danger of calc stacking and allowing these characters to be far above anything they have ever had to show that they accomplished before. I know that this may not get across the best here where we are just comparing how many observable universes they can destroy, but applying similar standards that have been pushed for these multipliers to say a town level character and making them continental because of similar circumstances would be very overlooking of the fact that this character who is consistently town level has never had to show any feats even remotely suggesting he could destroy a continent, and thus you are judging this verse not by what they have shown to be capable of doing but rather what random numbers being thrown out with no regard for plot consistency could extrapolate them to. 

Additionally, I always found base Goku suddenly being as powerful as SSG and the multipliers he has otherwise to be thematically odd. If that were to be the case, then shouldn’t Goku far exceed Beerus in his later transformations? I know Beerus held back, but he must have still been impressed to some degree by Goku’s abilities. If Goku were really hundreds of millions of times stronger now, it’s difficult to see Beerus finding anything interesting about him in the beginning of Super at all, since he still has yet to equal Beerus under normal circumstances. 

I find it more likely that the transformation increases are not proportionate, and that as Goku grew stronger his transformations became more additive. That isn’t to say that his transformations didn’t improve as a result of his base form improving as well, that is pretty well known. However it does mean that they didn’t stay on a constant scale. Earlier transformations, such as Super Saiyan 1, 2 and 3 are harder to justify giving them multipliers on top of base goku being universal, it would massively inflate results. As we have seen in the tournament of power, Super Saiyan God still gives Goku an increase in power, however it doesn’t have as drastic an effect as it did before. 

Broly’s own Super Saiyan form, as well as matching two Super Saiyan Blue Saiyans before hand however, does justify some level of upscaling, so I decided to include the high end Super Saiyan multiplier which has questionable validity, despite my ideological concerns. 

Also, while the Gogeta fusion does make them stronger than a 2x increase, we don’t know exactly how much stronger it is. Trying to hypothesize a theoretical to it would be very head canon-y. 

Since Earth is at the edge of the universe, couldn’t the potency be higher?

I will give credit where credit is due, this is a pretty unique argument, and I can tell that a lot of time went into calculating this. However, I do have some issues with it. 

First of all, it makes the assumption that Earth is on the edge of the right side of the universe. If it were to be on the left side, then it would actually be closer to the kai’s realm, and thus make this method redundant. The evidence used to support Earth being on the edge of the right side of the universe is the map which shows the Earth on the right side of the universe. One of the more obvious observations I made out of this is that this map shows the Earth is not actually at the edge of the universe, so I find it odd that people use this as supporting evidence even though it contradicts the main premise. 

I brought up a point arguing that this doesn’t even completely prove that the Earth is on the right side of the universe. If the map depicted the macrocosm from a different angle, then that would completely flip the Earth’s position. An argument against this was that as King Kai’s planet was on the same side, this proves the Earth is on the right side. 

I don’t see how the shockwaves reaching a certain distance to begin with means that it is carrying universe destroying power all the way through. Much of this area is just an empty void, and it is stated that the shockwaves get more destructive the farther away they are from the center. This could imply that most of its energy was being spread out instead of being a constant wave of the universe destroying energy, which would also explain why it didn’t immediately destroy the universe and why it would happen after multiple attacks. I mean, we kind of know this to be the case, since this is the reason commonly given for why the Earth was not destroyed. My point being that we don’t know if all the energy being generated by the shockwave was universal in nature, we just know it would have eventually destroyed the universe. 

How fast is Broly?

Scaling to the universal shockwaves, Broly could potentially reach 410 quadrillion times the speed of light. However, if we chose to use multipliers for his speed, using kaio ken he could reach 8.2 quintillion times the speed of light. Add the Gogeta multiplier to that, and Broly could even get to 16.4 quintillion times the speed of light. And if we wanted to really make him super fast and add the super saiyan multiplier to that, he could potentially scale to 820 quintillion times the speed of light, but keep in mind again this is a highball. 

Who has more tactical, intelligence, skill and experience edges?

Broly was trained by his father Paragus, a saiyan warrior, all his life and comes from a series about martial arts. Now you’d think he would have the edge here against a beast that is known for mindless smashing, but then you remember that he’s a comic character, and even The Hulk has to be a super genius because of that sole fact. Even if Broly is slightly older, he was left marooned on a deserted planet with no one to fight but his father and some weird animals. Hulk on the other hand, has been on a plethora of adventures, fought all sorts of people, has been in many hero organizations and has accomplished many more achievements in his life. 

Broly is no strategist, and was just extremely bloodthirsty in his fight with Goku and Vegeta. Now you think that would apply to the Hulk as well, but not this Hulk. Devil Hulk is far more cunning and tactful, without losing any of his monstrous strength. I know that these attributes aren’t always super important in a fight, but given how similarly Broly fights to savage Hulk, I don’t doubt that Devil Hulk could stay in control of the fight with his superior intelligence, experience and skill. 

Final comparisons and thoughts

Hulk:

Low End: 2,448x Uni, 1.05 Quintillion x FTL 

Mid End: 2,448x Uni, 3 Quintillion x FTL

Mid-High End: 24,480x Uni

High End: 326,685.6x Uni, 400.35 Quintillion x FTL

High-High End: 3,266,856x Uni

Broly:

Low End: 9x Uni, 410 Quadrillion x FTL

Mid End: 360x Uni, 16.4 Quintillion x FTL

High End: 18,000x Uni, 820 Quintillion x FTL

So as you can see from my ends, this isn’t really a good look for Broly. Hulk is consistently much stronger than Broly regardless of the leeway given to both. Now I understand that deciding how powerful characters should be is a little more specific than that, but my point with this is that it’s going to be more difficult to argue for Broly than it would be for Hulk. 

Interestingly enough however, Broly maintains a somewhat consistent speed edge over Hulk, if you applied multipliers. That, along with his range and mobility advantages, could allow him to prolong the fight to be longer than it normally should. Broly however, is definitely not a keep away fighter, and Hulk’s greater intelligence will help ensure that this doesn’t last. 

Additionally, I’m not entirely convinced that Broly could even kill Hulk for any prolonged period of time. The Green Door plus his own regeneration would negate any progress Broly could potentially make, his best chance is to just be so much more powerful than Hulk that he can instantly vaporize him, and then go with the interpretation Hulk would take longer to come back from that to give Broly a pseudo victory, and I have a tough time imagining Death Battle selling that as an argument to the majority of people. 

In order for Broly to win, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt on a lot of issues, as well as flat out ignore implications that the universal feats in Marvel could actually be more potent than our own observable universe. Just by following a basic scale of over extended credits given to them, Hulk should edge out a win. This is all while ignoring the implications of higher states of Hulk matching sky fathers, in which case there is very little you could reasonably do for Broly. 

If you have read my other predictions, you would know that in spite of how convinced I am of who should win in my mind, I am a very paranoid person. This isn’t without reason, as Death Battle has been very unpredictable, and it’s exceedingly rare for them to use the exact same argument as the G1 blog, even if we reach the same basic conclusion. There is a very easy opportunity for Broly to win here. 

The main argument for volume scaling Marvel, which has been Hulk’s main anchor to victory, only became an argument several months ago, and I introduced the macrocosm argument to the G1 blog literally days ago. I’m not saying they couldn’t have realized and come to these conclusions without them being mainstream yet, but it does show a level of uncertainty to their opinions on these topics that isn’t as large as it is for Broly, whose stats we pretty much know in the eyes of Death Battle, and is likely to only be larger. 

Broly has a much more concrete consensus than Hulk does, whose arguments are fairly new to the mainstream. However, I can’t think of any actually adequate arguments against them either, in reverse. Think of it this way; Hulk is fighting an uphill battle against Broly, but he is riding a jet up that hill. With all that said, here is my verdict for the season finale of Death Battle season 7. 

The Winner is the Incredible, Immortal Hulk

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Hulk vs Broly, yadda yadda yadda 50% cape shit this season, wish they toned it down but whatever, animation seems hype as fuck and the music is godly, I think it’ll be a good episode. Anyways I’m pretty sure Hulk’s gonna win the episode, but I’m going to be devil’s advocating for Broly since I like him more (Hulk’s great in his own right doe), and I love Dragon Ball. Do keep that in mind for this verdict. I do think you can make a pretty good case for him regardless.

So first things first, we need to talk about Hulk, and Marvel in general, since he is definitely way more complex and debatable in stats than the latter is (which, duh, mans had 60 years of content). To start out with, we know the Marvel universe has a stated diameter of 1 trillion light years. Given how the universe is shown to be spheres, the sphere volume of this universe would be 1224x bigger than our own observable universe, making it solidly baseline multiversal in order to destroy it. And Hulk’s got plenty of Uni feats and Uni scaling. Him channeling the power of two universes and Hyperion surviving an Incursion being the most blatant ones. This would solidly be 2448x universal for Hulk’s overall AP and durability.

What about higher stuff doe? Infinite universe? Incursion possibly being higher? Well, frankly, I can’t say I really buy them. The Marvel universe does have a lot of infinite universe statements, but imma be real, aside from a few of them, these really just seem like blatant hyperbole to me. But even then, we clearly see the Marvel universe has a visible edge, which is way more blatant and visible then just statements of saying it’s “muh infinite”. The fact that it’s still constantly expanding leads me to believe that nah, probably not infinite.

As for the arguments for Hyperion’s feat being higher, well, can’t really say I buy them. Incursion’s whole thing is that it just destroys 2 universes. Not literally all the realms in the 616 universe shown by the Yggdrasil (The nine realms, by cosmology document) are being destroyed, at least I haven’t seen evidence pointing to that. It’s an interesting and fair assumption I’ll admit, but it’s one that lacks enough evidence for me to personally say I can agree with it.

Speed is next, and I think Hulk is way slower than people give credit for. The Venus feat that gets sextillions c is weird honestly, we have a direct statement from the comic itself that she only traveled millions of light years, which should take precedence. Assuming 100 million light years and a timeframe of 13 milliseconds, we’re getting solidly 242 quadrillion c. Rather consistent with Hermès universe crossing in seconds (personally I favor the 30 seconds version, but 10 seconds is def reasonable). Add that with Mjolnir consistently crossing universal distances, and boom, solidly high quad c to low quint c Hulk.

Broly is a pretty weird one, since we have multiple interpretations of how to measure the macrocosm’s size. However, we know Death Battle had it at 9x universal via volume scaling (as a lowball mind you), so I’ll stick to that version. What now? Well, you can technically increase the values of the macrocosm destruction to a significant degree. But why am I treating as if Earth is on the edge? Well, given how we see on the official map that Earth is indeed roughly on the edge, and how Bulma states it’s at the edge, I think it’s a fair idea to do that. Even if you disagree with using Death Battle’s version, if you treat the mortal realm as a hemisphere in this calc, and use the same px measurements in the calc to get the distance from the edge to the Kai Realm, you end up with roughly 124x universal.

So 124x as a lowball, 661x as a highball. Still not enough to match Hulk though right? Well, maybe. It would depend on your stance on multipliers for Dragon Ball. However, I think at the very minimum, one multiplier is definitely legit: the Kaioken. The Daizenshuu supports that the Kaioken is a literal multiplier, and in Goku’s fight with Hit, he reiterates that it is indeed a genuine multiplier. The maximum Goku has used is a Kaioken x20 combined with his SSB form. While one may question scaling this to Broccoli as Goku didn’t use Kaioken in his fight with him, given how he never even thought about using it, and the Super Broly movie is in a weird spot of being canon to both the anime and the manga, the latter of which has Perfected SSB, which is essentially the same thing as SSBKK, I think it’s fair to give Broly this multiplier.

Also, given how at his best, he was capable of overpowering SSJ Gogeta, which we know for a fact that fusion isn’t just a 2x multiplier, I think it’s fair that, for a lowball, we multiply Broly’s SSBKKx20 multiplier by 2, which means that for a lowball, Broly is about 4960x universal, and at a highball, 26440x universal (I’d favor the lowball personally). As for speed, Broly far upscales beyond the shockwaves caused during Goku and Beerus’ clash, which in the calcs I linked above, is 410.5 quadrillion times lightspeed at a minimum. If you’re comfortable using the Kaioken and Gogeta multipliers, that’s about 16.42 quintillion c.

So stats seem to be semi even as of now, slightly in Broly’s favor but not by a massive margin. Granted, I have qualms scaling Hulk to Hermes via some shit in comics, but I’ll ignore it for now. High end for Hulk would be 3 quintillion c, giving Broly a 5x speed advantage, and he’d be roughly about 2x stronger. Granted, there is a multiplier for the Pandora’s box having a stated multiplier of about 133x, but even things out with the Super Saiyan (50x, confirmed by the Daizenshuu, Broly at his best outmuscled SSJ Gogeta, ez pickings) multiplier for both of their high ends, which would put Broly at 248000x universal and Hulk at 325584x universal, roughly.

I’m not going to use more and more multipliers for Broly since that’s very much on the edge of calc stacking and Super Saiyan having a consistent multiplier is definitely uh, debatable, but this is to show that the mid and high ends for both Hulk and Broly leave both at roughly comparable power and speed. So now, this whole fight comes down to other factors. First off, skill and experience. While Hulk has fought much, much, much longer than Broly and has fought more varied foes, I’d say Broly has the skill advantage. He’s a big enough prodigy that even after just a few minutes, he’s capable of keeping up with Vegeta and Goku, both of whom have trained non stop for 40 years of their life (or being dead. Sometimes both), and his natural ability to adapt, learn, and match others fighting styles is truly remarkable.

I’d say Hulk has experience, but Broly has the skill to keep up. While Hulk has fought opponents similar before and can leap high distances, flight still gives Broly a pretty good mobility advantage, and if he plays smart enough, he can go and play and keep away with his energy attacks. Speaking of which, Broly definitely has the range game in his favor. With multiple energy blasts, energy balls, and more, he can definitely keep Hulk at bay long enough to overwhelm and overtax his healing factor.

Which leaves us to the final point of contention: Can Broly overcome Hulk’s impressive healing factor? I’d say yes. While the Hulk’s healing factor can help pull him up from being splat to bits, it won’t save him from complete vaporization, which, even with the impressive Green Door, takes a while to regenerate from. Given how Broly has multiple ranged and powerful options, one strong enough to literally break dimensions, match Gogeta in power, and one strong enough to force Gogeta to dodge it instead of tanking it head on, I feel like he should have enough to overpower and overwhelm Hulk

So in conclusion, to make a Devil’s Advocate for Broly, he’s at least comparable enough in stats with likely a decent enough speed advantage, has mobility at his side, is more skilled, and his range game options should give him the tools he needs to overcome Hulk’s healing factor, even with Hulk’s ever growing strength (which Broly can match, as it is repeatedly stated and shown in the movie the more Broly adapts, the more stronger he becomes), experience, and intelligence.

Apologies if this seemed rather dumb or whatever, or if I came off as biased (which I kind of am tbf), but I just wanted to make an argument for Broly since well, no one else will lol. I think this fight is honestly super close, and while I do think Hulk will win the episode, I just wanted to show it’s possible to make a solid argument for Broccoli boy. Regardless, I just hope the episode is great, the sneak peek alone has this as the best 3D fight this season tbh. Anyways, thanks for reading my verdict, and happy 10 year anniversary to Death Battle. Here’s hoping Season 8 can be another great year, and for god’s sake have Cole vs Al-

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Not gonna lie. When I first heard on Discord that this was going to be the next match, my initial thought was, “No, they’re joking, right? Most of this season’s lineup has been comic book characters.” Then I saw the trailer for it on Twitter, and I quickly changed my mind. While this isn’t my desired Broly match-up (I’m more of a Broly vs Asura fan, personally), I do have a fondness for this fight. I remember it starting to grow on me back when I was 13 and looking through ScrewAttack out of boredom, only to find a blog that showed a three-way battle royale between Broly, Hulk, and Asura. Admittedly, my memories about the blog itself are a bit blurry (and I think it’s been deleted since then), but I remember thinking “Wow, this was badass! I wonder if the show will ever do something like that!” Well, it’s been 7 years since then, and although the circumstances are a bit different, it’s good to see that this is finally coming to fruition.

But enough about my trip down memory lane. Let’s get to discussing the verdict.

In terms of strength and durability, Broly should be at least Universe+ since he could fight on par with Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza. Goku was strong enough to produce shockwaves that risked destroying the universe while in Super Saiyan God, a form that he later absorbed into becoming his new base. Vegeta showed that he could beat Golden Frieza while in Super Saiyan Blue, which is stronger than Super Saiyan God. Sometime after that, Frieza was able to stalemate Goku in Super Saiyan Blue, and Broly showed that he could fight all three of them. Other than that, his feats mainly consist of destroying a bunch of mountains and an Arctic area.

Unfortunately, Hulk has him massively outclassed in this regard. He’s traded blows with the likes of Thor, who produced enough energy to create a new Big Bang and merge infinite timelines while fighting another version of himself. He’s also been able to trade blows with the Silver Surfer, who could contain the energy needed to destroy two universes, which Hulk is also capable of. And considering that there exist multiple statements that the Marvel universe is infinite, this would put Hulk’s feats at an even greater level. And if we go by direct feats, his ability to destroy Night-crawler’s universe and affect infinite dimensions with the Thunderclap easily eclipse Broly’s.

With regards to speed, Broly’s ability to keep up with Goku would easily put him in the quadrillions range, but Hulk is easily comparable if not superior due to keeping up with Thor and Silver Surfer, who both have a plethora of speed feats ranging from quadrillions, quintillions, sextillions, or even infinite/immeasurable speeds.

Experience-wise, there’s no question that this goes to Hulk. Outside of having more than just one movie to draw from, his years of fighting various Gamma Mutates, aliens, monsters, gods, cosmic beings, and other supernatural creatures give him an edge over Broly, whose combat experience consists of a whole four fights and some rudimentary training from his dad. When it comes to intellect, however, that’s a bit harder to decide. While Broly’s shown the ability to adapt to others mid-fight, his main strategy involves rushing in guns blazing and beating the shit out of whatever’s in front of him. While Hulk initially suffered from a similar problem early on, over time he eventually learned to bury the hatchet with Bruce, which means that he retains the intellect of one of the smartest men in the Marvel universe.

As for their powers, Broly’s ki manipulation gives him more versatility in terms of attack options, and his different forms could lessen the gap in stats by a bit. Unfortunately, Hulk’s own powers have him beat. He could further the strength gap between them, either through rage or by absorbing Gamma, the latter of which exists everywhere, including in his surroundings. With his healing factor, he could just regenerate from whatever damage Broly inflicts, and the immortality given to him by the Green Door is something that Broly has no means of bypassing. His ability to manipulate his size would make it harder for Broly to avoid his attacks, and it doesn’t help that Hulk has multiple ways to bypass Broly’s durability.

Considering Broly’s berserker mentality and penchant for sticking to close-quarters, it’s likely he’d continue attacking while Hulk is in the middle of regenerating, which could eventually cause him to become stuck in Hulk’s body. From there, Hulk has several options to bypass Broly’s durability: he could either absorb Broly into his body and break him down, reduce him to a withered husk by draining his life force, or power himself up by absorbing Broly’s Gamma; which could weaken and even potentially kill Broly. Even if Broly decided to play it safe by hitting him from a distance, Hulk’s no stranger to fighting opponents that rely on flight and projectiles, and he could easily catch up to him by jumping. It doesn’t help that the Thunderclaps should be capable of mitigating Broly’s ki blasts, considering that they are made using Hulk’s strength.

Broly may be an Incredible opponent, but he just won’t be able to adapt to the Hulking stomp he’s going to receive.

The winner is The Incredible Hulk.

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(50% Comic books in one season. That’s a first)

Alright, time for the highly anticipated final of Asura vs Br-

…this kinda pseudo-confirms the possibility of Atrocitus vs Asura now. And boy do I have some juicy Atrocitus scaling for that. Anyways, this is a surprisingly hype match-up since the Hulk’s back, but with a twist; Immortal Hulk is thrown into the mixture. And with that information alone, I can already jump into why Hulk wins this ever so comfortably. 

Right off the bat, Immortal Hulk is flat out stronger. He’s able to not only fight Thor, but able to hit the guy hard enough to knock the teeth out of him, and even physically contest with the Sentry, and has numerous direct universal scaling feats that have taken place even prior to Immortal Hulk to support this. He’s battled Nightmare in his dimension and rendered it asunder to such a degree as to cause nightmares to cease, channeled energy that would destroy two universes, in narration flat out destroyed Nightcrawler’s universe, and his Thunderclap, which has been treated as a lower kind’ave technique has sent shockwaves across an infinite number of dimensions.

Now I won’t be going over the size of Marvel’s universe or any sorta Yggdrasil scaling, as others have already said what’s been needed to be said about it. So back to Immortal Hulk. He’s gone from taking piss from Thor to beating him to a pulp. So what? Well, lets just say that means it makes the scaling even better. Thor is in my opinion tied with Silver Surfer for the all-father of herald feats ranging from uni+-low multi. Thor under his own power with Mjolnir absorbed the Godbomb, a weapon capable of slaughtering every god across every timeline in the universe, reversed the World Engine, which was moving Yggdrasil, which contains nine realms (universes), wrestled with a living manifestation of the Odinforce, and if you scale that to the power of the Odinforce, it was able to contain the power of the Eternal Flame, which Kid Loki confirmed would have the power to affect all Nine Realms and the Multiverse itself, and finally Thor also scales to another herald known as Hyperion, who famously survived the incursion of two universes, ergo supporting Hulk’s scaling.

 Broly obviously scales to feats of a uni+ caliber as well. He was capable of matching Super Saiyan God Goku in combat and is supposedly stronger than any other Dragon Ball villain not counting Zeno, including Beerus who matched Goku’s clashes that were powerful enough to potentially destroy Universe 7, which is much larger than our own universe, and even surpassing Jiren, who at his peak (Limit Breaker) was capable of completely trouncing Master Ultra Instinct Goku briefly, whose awakening alone shook the World of Void, a dimension that is described as a world without time or space and filled with infinite nothingness. So when it comes to scaling, Hulk simply has more of it that gives him much higher degrees of uni+/low multi then Broly. 

Speed-wise, it is relatively close. Neither are immeasurable but the range they top at is roughly around the quad/quintillion range. Hulk obviously scales to Thor consistently, who in “Journey Into Mystery (Vol 1 Issue 94)”, Thor flies from Earth to Asgard in “moments” after Loki, using his trickery, telepathically sends him a message to do so, which at a lower end gets you in the quintillion range, and Hulk himself has been shown capable of blitzing heralds of Thor’s caliber like Sentry numerous times. Over in Broly’s corner, it’s safe and sound to scale Broly to base forms of Goku and Vegeta and higher forms such as SSB Goku. He should be faster than the likes of Beerus, who crossed the universe at 375 quadrillion times the speed of light, and Jiren, who has reacted to time-hopping Hit. So speed-wise, it’s relatively in the same ballpark. 

I’ll focus less on durability and jump into the hax for both since as of late, there’s a surprising amount of stuff Immortal Hulk has. Namely, the Green Door, an addition to the Hulk’s mythos and a surprisingly epic one too. The Green Door is a metaphysical barrier that connects the Below-Place, the bottom layer of the Multiverse even below the deepest layer of Hell, to the real world, and acts as a passage for gamma-mutated creatures or people to possibly return to the living world, at a cost of no memory of their resurrection.

The Hulk however has bypassed these conditions, and is able to return to the living with his memories intact. Using this door also completely revives the user, healing their body of all their previous wounds or injuries. So Hulk has immortality. But is it fast enough? The time frame is unknown, the best answer I can find is in Immortal Hulk #1, Banner himself is gunned down by a thug and by sunrise transforms into the Hulk. In my opinion however, this is hardly relevant. Hulk is far too durable and his regeneration alone compensates for any of Broly’s best Ki attacks such as the Eraser Cannon or Gigantic Full Blast. His regeneration has literally tanked acid that was designed to negate regeneration, and he just ripped it off himself and ignored the damage completely. In terms of adaptability, I fail to see how Broly’s will overcome Hulks. Hulks rage empowerment has allowed him to boost his anger at least three times over alone, making it hard for him to keep up with someone who can just keep getting stronger.

So to sum it up, I think Immortal Hulk’s far superior strength and scaling, regeneration, rage empowerment, and overall speed to keep up with Broly’s make the Hulk the winner of this finale.